But I've been reluctant to post anything about these as it all seems a little suspicious to me. First off, Houdini had throwing knives??? I've never heard of Houdini doing a knife throwing act. The only provenance I find is that they belonged to "the Hartley family, who were companions of Houdini". I've never heard of the Hartley family. Also, in 2003, a completely different set of "Houdini throwing knives" sold in a Lelands auction for a revealingly low price of $349.
The current owner of these knives appears to be a professional knife thrower named The Great Throwdini, who writes on his website:
They were once the knives of THE GREAT HARRY HOUDINI (no kidding, these WERE Harry Houdini's personal throwing knives). They measure an awesome 16.5"and have cork handles. Made by the W.S. Brown Co., Pittsburgh PA.
In the Oddites show, Throwdini appears not as the owner, but as the purchaser. Again, suspicious, but I'm learning many of these "reality" shows employ similar tactics -- like having an actor present an item and then having the owner pose as the expert. But this just makes me all the more reluctant to believe that these knives have anything to do with Houdini, and are just being used as a publicity gimmick for Throwdini's act.
However, I'm certainly willing to have my mind changed. I would love to learn that Harry and Bess did a knife throwing act in their early years.
So does anyone know anything more about these? Maybe Throwdini himself can add a comment? Let's throw some light on these knives (see what I did there?).
UPDATE: Well, it appears there is a verifiable connection between Houdini and a knife throwing act. "Mr. Know-It-All" alerts me to Houdini's first pitch book (the cover of which you can see in Ken Silverman's Houdini!!! The Career of Ehrich Weiss) which contains a section called, "How to do an Impalment [sic] Act." Doesn't mean Houdini performed the act himself, but he does present himself as expert enough to teach it, so knife throwing appears to be part of his skill set. Also, cork handles appear to be in line with his suggestion: "For an effective finish saturate the handles with some inflamable [sic] stuff and ignite them and then hurl at subject."
As a former knife throwing enthusiast, to me those handles look pretty flimsy. You can use cork as a handle, but for serious work it has to be sheet cork, laminated under pressure and treated with something to seal it, like beeswax. Is that what you saw in Scranton?
ReplyDeleteOtherwise, the handles can't stand up to the constant knocking around (and a lot of knife throwing is having your knife bouncing off the target and landing somewhere you didn't plan on). Definitely never heard of HH doing a knife throwing act, though it's not impossible that he learned it just for fun.
Also, 16.5 inches is awfully long for a throwing knife. A classic Bowie knife, which is a perfect thrower because you can throw it from blade or handle, is only a foot long.
Oh, I didn't see these in Scranton. I just recall their press release last year that one would be on display.
DeleteThanks for the feedback. Doesn't seem likely Houdini would use anything but the best. Unless, of course, these are from his struggling days. But could they be that old?
These look legitimate for the late 19th century. The cork handles had to be porous to absorb flammable liquid. The extra long blades provided the necessary weight-forward to make accurate throws. Harry Houdini describes this act in his first pitch book.
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Oh, he describes this his first pitch book? Well that changes matters. Which book are you considering the first? Magic Made Easy, or one of the post 1900 books like America's Sensational Perplexer? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteThere is only one known copy of the first (1894) pitch book in existence, at the University of Texas, so if Mr. KIA could kindly give us a citation?
ReplyDeleteThe man many consider the world's foremost authority on the pitch books, Mr. John Bushey, reports that he has checked out that book (he has a digital copy) as well as the 1896 and '98 books plus all the 1900 - 1924 pitch books and finds no mention of such an act.
Really? I'll get in touch with John. As you say, he is the man when it comes to pitch books. Thanks.
DeleteI talked to John. It's there. He overlooked it. But he also points out that this is just a book of tricks Houdini is selling. No real evidence here that he ever performed it himself.
DeleteRight, John just e-mailed me the same thing today. Mr. Know It All really DOES know it all!
ReplyDelete$1300 seems a bit expensive for a throwing knife, even though they are Houdini's personal knives
ReplyDeleteI am also trying to find out whether Houdini threw knives. I'm sorry that I am a bit late with this.
ReplyDeleteIn 1983, I worked in a London theatre (UK). One of my colleagues claimed that her husband had a connection with the British comedy outfit 'The Crazy Gang' and had, as a young boy, assisted the Great Houdini in his act when he was in London. He was rewarded with a gift of Houdini's throwing knives, which he had used in his London act.
She brought them into work and I handled them. They were heavy and shaped like the knives in the photo above. I can't remember about the cork handles though.
If anyone can corroborate this, I would be interested.
Unknown, I'm researching the origin of Houdini's knives. Your comment is very interesting. Please contact me at throwdini@knifethrower.com, I have some further questions I'd like to explore with you.
DeleteKnife throwing has been around for a long time. Just how long is unknown, but we do know that soldiers in the American Civil War used the sport to pass time in camp. It has endured the ages as an art, a sport, and an entertainment method. See more http://survival-mastery.com/skills/defence/how-to-throw-a-throwing-knife.html
ReplyDeleteAs the case may be there's more to all this than meets the eye. First of all let me put to rest all the bad vibes set forth by the Oddities show I was in and purchased a Houdini Throwing Knife. It's "reality" TV and based on contractual agreement I'm forbidden to say any more. It's entirely up to the viewer of any reality show to determine what's real and what isn't. On to the knives themselves. To the best of my knowledge there are only 6, a set of 2 and a set of 4. There are 3 bulb shaped and 3 straight, The set of 2 has one of each and the set of 4 has 1 bulb shape and 3 straight. The chain of letters that accompany each set are from the same collector and antique dealer stating precisely the same information in 1972 and 1975 when both sets were sold/purchased. I quite confident I purchased the set of 4 from the daughter of the people who bought the set in 1975, I'm still putting all the little pieces of the puzzle together and will amend this if I'm in error. The accompanying letters refer to Mr. Hartley, Houdini's "traveling companion." Coincidentally, Houdini sent a typed letter to "My Dear Hartley" in 1926 discussing his upcoming trip to Washington to testify before a Committee discussing an anti fortune telling bill. As of this day, 3/10/2021, I am actively investigating the Hartley/Houdini connection with the aide of world-renown Forensic Genealogist Dr. Colleen Fitzpatrick. Hopefully we will uncover some additional insight into this matter and push a few more pieces into the incredible puzzle.
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